From: "Yinch" To: X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ml@qoole.com Reply-To: ml@qoole.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:39:21 -0000 Subject: Re: Probably a question that's been asked 20 times.. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BD4C43.13EF1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand it you are describing a 'normals reversed' cube to be = used for rendering the inside of a cube. The reason this cannot be done = is due to the way the Quake engine works. It would involve two special = cases to (1)handle the rendering of the object visually and (2) the much = harder problem of occupied volume collison detection 'cos the walls of = the crate would have to be decomposed into the 6-flat cubes at some = point. Alternative the editor program could possibly maintain this inside-out = cube structure and convert it to a Quake compliant structure as it is = producing the map. hmmmmmmmm. Any qoole programmers reading this? Thinking about it - it would be a really nice feature that the guys at = Qoole might consider including in a later release. yinch'98 -----Original Message----- From: Sandman To: ml@qoole.com Date: 10 March 1998 16:33 Subject: Re: Probably a question that's been asked 20 times.. =20 =20 Skeeter, =20 No.. I'm not. I've already figured out that the outer faces of the = crate can be used with the texture properties to change the faces of the = outer edge. I guess my question is this.. if you can manipulate the = outer edge.. Why couldn't you manipulate the inner edges? =20 =20 If I took a basic huge cube, and I hollowed it.. allowing a starting = player entity to exist inside it, and say.. I wanted the ceiling to be = this texture, the walls to be that texture, and finally the floor to be = this texture. No can do. Not with 1 cube hollowed. Why does this seem = silly to me? Why couldn't you manipulate the 'outer edge' of the cube = within the hollowed cube? I mean.. look closely, when you hollow a = cube.. there's a cube within a cube.. =20 I guess what I'm getting at is.. wouldn't it save a whole buttload = of brushes if we could just figure out some way to be able to manipulate = a 'hollowed cube' texture properties without having to take 6 brushes of = rectangles each with their own texture map to build a room?=20 =20 Maybe I'm silly for asking why..=20 =20 ~Sandman =20 =20 >Sandman, >I certainly hope you're not putting EXTRA brushes where the insides = of a >crate should be. Use the Texture Properties window (Alt-T) = instead! This >window lets you cycle through EACH SIDE of a brush to set the = texture. I >believe that's what you want. >_______________________ >irc: _skeeter >icq: 882748 >web: www.ghgcorp.com/skeeter/=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01BD4C43.13EF1F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I understand it you are = describing a 'normals=20 reversed' cube to be used for rendering the inside of a cube. The reason = this=20 cannot be done is due to the way the Quake engine works. It would = involve two=20 special cases to (1)handle the rendering of the object visually and (2) = the much=20 harder problem of occupied volume collison detection 'cos the walls of = the crate=20 would have to be decomposed into the 6-flat cubes at some = point.
 
Alternative the editor program could possibly = maintain this=20 inside-out cube structure and convert it to a Quake compliant structure = as it is=20 producing the map. hmmmmmmmm. Any qoole programmers reading = this?
 
Thinking about it - it would be a really nice = feature that the=20 guys at Qoole might consider including in a later release.
 
yinch'98
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Sandman <sandman@www.cntwk.net>
To:=20 ml@qoole.com <ml@qoole.com>
Date: 10 = March=20 1998 16:33
Subject: Re: Probably a question that's been = asked 20=20 times..

Skeeter,

No.. I'm not.  I've = already=20 figured out that the outer faces of the crate can be used with the = texture=20 properties to change the faces of the outer edge.  I guess my = question=20 is this.. if you can manipulate the outer edge.. Why couldn't you = manipulate=20 the inner edges? 

If I took a basic huge cube, and I = hollowed=20 it.. allowing a starting player entity to exist inside it, and say.. = I=20 wanted the ceiling to be this texture, the walls to be that texture, = and=20 finally the floor to be this texture.  No can do.  Not = with 1 cube=20 hollowed.  Why does this seem silly to me?  Why couldn't = you=20 manipulate the 'outer edge' of the cube within the hollowed = cube?  I=20 mean.. look closely, when you hollow a cube.. there's a cube within = a=20 cube..

I guess what I'm getting at is.. wouldn't it save a = whole=20 buttload of brushes if we could just figure out some way to be able = to=20 manipulate a 'hollowed cube' texture properties without having to = take 6=20 brushes of rectangles each with their own texture map to build a = room?=20

Maybe I'm silly for asking why..=20

~Sandman


>Sandman,
>I certainly hope = you're not=20 putting EXTRA brushes where the insides of a
>crate should = be. =20 Use the Texture Properties window (Alt-T) instead!  = This
>window=20 lets you cycle through EACH SIDE of a brush to set the = texture. =20 I
>believe that's what you=20 want.
>_______________________
>irc: = _skeeter
>icq:=20 882748
>web: www.ghgcorp.com/skeeter/=20

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