From: "Julian Easterling" To: In-Reply-To: <003101bd45fc$40916ef0$0b64a8c0@piraino.eyecom.com> Reply-To: ml@qoole.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:15:27 -0500 Subject: RE: Amazing I think that the problem you are describing has to do with the floating point map coordinates stored in QLE format. I have noticed that other people have had the problem you describe when Qoole converts QLE to MAP. MAP formats don't allow Floating point. It may be that Qoole rounds these number off. For instance (using 1D for example), If you have a brush that ends at 345.4999 and another brush that starts at 345.5000, When Qoole converts to MAP your first brush ends at 345 and your second brush starts at 346, thereby creating a 1 unit "hole" in your map. If that brush is on the outside of your map, It just created a leak. This drives me up the wall too, but I have heard that this problem is suppose to be fixed in the 2.33 version of the program. I am not sure about that though. It makes me curious to know if this is an advantage(using Floating Point) when none of the tools(BSP,VIS,LIGHT,RAD) use them. I would suggest that it causes more problems than it is worth then it should be deleted or give the user the ability to turn it off if the problem can not be fixed. I have looked at other editors and while they have there own problems, they are much more complicated to use. As long as we keep reporting the bugs we find and the authors keep fixing them, I am going to stay happy with the product. Just about every program out there has problems. Sometimes by adding new features(which are better) you create problem(bugs) trying to interface them with older programs. As far as I concerned, the authors are doing a good job of keeping new features coming and getting rid of old bugs in each release. Maybe I am forgiving, maybe I am idiot, but I am happy with Qoole. Just look at the windows platform, it has a lot of bugs in it but people continue to use it. Each time Microsoft adds new features to the OS, new bugs appear because the older programs weren't designed to work with the new feature. Take FAT32 for example. Take Long Filenames for another. This is not intended as a flame but to give insight to your problem since everyone(for lack of a better word) seems to want to name call. I hope this helps your problem. Julian. -------------------------------------------- Julian Easterling, Lab Manager Coker College Hartsville,SC USA Email: jeasterling@pascal.coker.edu A Person is only as big as the dreams he dares to live! -----Original Message----- From: owner-qoole@qoole.com [mailto:owner-qoole@qoole.com]On Behalf Of John Piraino Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 11:57 AM To: ml@qoole.com Subject: Amazing I find it amazing and amusing how much inferiority people will put up with. John M. Sanderbeck writes: Why don't you post this message to the Qoole Programmers, not to the Mailing List. I'm tired of reading your whining messages. If you don't like Qoole, then QUIT USING IT.... I have minor problems with the software, but you don't hear me on here WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For Christ's Sake, get a life.... And, I am a programmer and have been for 10 years, so don't give me the bug free software line of bull... There is no such thing...... Mr. Sanderbeck, I would have a life and I wouldn't be wining if I purchased a product that does what it is supposed to do. WinQoole/GLQoole does NOT do what it is supposed to do. It does not save QLE files correctly or build MAP files correctly in order for the tools from id to do their job properly. Secondly, if this is the kind of software that you are happy with, please keep spending. If you are a programmer for more than 10 years, you should be grateful to God that you don't work for me. (Director of MIS responsible for 72 programmers). If this is your attitude, and your thoughts on producing software, you would be unemployed. I'll gladly keep your name on file in case I ever see your resume cross my desk. Goldeneye007 writes: Ok,first of all idiot,your so stupid you don't even know it!No matter what kind of software you use it will always have SOME kind of bugs that are infixable because the programming would cause more complications then it would help.Second the Qoole programmers did no even make the qrad,qvis,and qbsp ID software did som dont be blaming it on them!Why don't you just return the damn thing if you don't like it! If Qoole has a software bug that makes it infixable, then the entire project should be scrapped, as the software doesn't work from the start. I see, you are like Mr. Sanderbeck who doesn't mind spending money for things that don't work. You must be really ignorant if you thought that I felt QBSP, LIGHT and VIS came from Lithium. I wasn't born yesterday. Secondly, the bug is NOT in WQBSP, QBSP256 or QBSP (I try them all) the problem is in the creation of the MAP file (If you were to read the message properly before flaming) As I explained, I had deleted a room that I had created over 5 days ago. I haven't even been working on that part of the map, and all of a sudden there's a leak. I don't think that's id's tools, that's the creation of the MAP file, which WinQoole does. (Watch the screen the next time you Export to BSP, you'll see a message box stating "Exporting map file...") As stated in the letter that I have found the problem, it is in the saving or re-loading of QLE files. If I can have a part of a map untouched for 5 days, and then have it come up with a leak and a cut node portal error, that's not QBSP! If it was, it would have found that 5 days ago. I found this by deleting one room at a time, and then covering up the hole with a solid cube. Once I found the offending room, I replaced it with another room the same size, texture, etc. Then it worked fine again. It appears that everyone is defending their "faulty" purchase, as no one likes to buy a "lemon". If you want to spend your money fiverously, I have a bridge that I've been wanting to sell for a few months now. John